[selzer]

I am not sure that is the case, this little job is a solar powered unit that does not have much oomph. But it is different because they can see it and avoid it. They may be able to avoid something because of a collar, but the collar itself is on them and zapping them. I don't like it.

But as I said, there is no converting me on this. But I am not asking for them to be banned. I do not understand why people think that if you are not in favor of them, you are wrong and must be converted.